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"That's that cave for that old woman Gudbardia. She's still there in that cave now. When we go fishing there we always tell those kids stories, like how we used to be told by those old people. When we go there we don't let those kids go off by themselves fishing, we watch them. They might end up in that cave. The cold wind makes us think of Red Butt and when we used to go there, long time. We'd go right around through Texas and Lissadell Stations, looking at that country".